Sept. 23, 2025
The Nuclear Family is NOT Normal or Healthy!! Here’s What the Future Looks Like for Extraordinary Families
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If you’re feeling the strain of doing family alone, multigenerational living offers a practical, time-tested alternative: more support, stronger mental health, richer relationships, and real pathways to generational wealth. In this video, Greg & Rachel show why the nuclear family is a modern outlier, how AI is accelerating the need for in-person community, and simple ways to start—shared meals, family projects, flexible work/learning, and designing life on purpose so your home functions like a thriving tribe, not a collection of separate schedules.
Is the “nuclear family” actually traditional—or even healthy—for your kids and marriage?
In this conversation, Greg & Rachel challenge a BIG cultural myth: the nuclear family (mom + dad + kids, all on their own) isn’t historically normal—and it’s often unhealthy and lonely in today’s hyper-digital world. Instead, they unpack what families did for most of human history—intergenerational, community-based, “tribal” living—and how ordinary parents can start moving that direction without selling everything or going off-grid.
You’ll learn how to question handed-down narratives, re-design work, school, and home life, and flip the ratio so your family spends more time together than apart—building skills, wealth, and resilience as a team.
Highlights you'll hear:
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Why isolation (9–5 + separate schools + separate lives) isn’t “traditional”—it’s recent.
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How multigenerational & community living builds real support, mental health, and generational wealth.
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Simple first steps: shared meals, home projects, family business ideas, skill-building, and flexible work.
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The future of family in the age of AI: double down on what only humans do—connection, empathy, creativity.
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A practical reframe: “What would have to be true for us to live, learn, and work together more?”
If you’re tired of doing family alone, this episode shows a realistic path toward tribe-style living—whether you’re in a city apartment, suburban neighborhood, or a budding homestead. You don’t need to move tomorrow; you just need to start asking better questions today.
Key Takeaways
✅ The nuclear family is modern, not “traditional.”
✅ Community > isolation for happiness, mental health, and stability.
✅ Shared work/learning = faster maturity, marketable skills, and generational wealth.
✅ Design life on purpose: meals together, family projects, aligned work/school choices.
✅ AI future = be more human: build in-person connection and a supportive tribe.
Chapters
00:00 Questioning Conventional Family Norms
02:53 The Evolution of Family Structures
05:48 The Importance of Community and Connection
08:28 Exploring Unconventional Lifestyles
11:23 Redefining Family Dynamics
14:01 The Future of Family Life
16:35 Creating a Supportive Family Environment
19:48 Building Generational Wealth Together
22:30 Embracing Change and New Possibilities
25:12 Living Life on Your Own Terms
28:18 The Role of Technology in Family Life
31:06 Designing Your Ideal Family Life
Memorable Quotes
🗣 “Question all the narratives—especially the ones that keep your family apart.”
🗣 “The nuclear family isn’t ancient; community living is.”
🗣 “Flip the ratio: more time together, less time apart.”
🗣 “In an AI world, double down on what’s human—connection and creation.”
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0:00
All the narratives question everything we do.
Humans are inherently community driven.
How would you design your life?
We don't.
Live in this type of world anymore.
They do.
Certain people do what they do.
Why do you do what you do?
What?
What?
Do you mean the nuclear family is not normal or not traditional?
0:18
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0:41
It makes a big difference.
Thank you for being a part of this very important movement.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Extraordinary Family Life podcast where your host Greg and Rachel Denning.
Today's episode is going to be a little bit a lot bit unconventional.
And I hope you will not just dismiss it because it seems unrealistic, but chew on it and see if there are any aspects of it that you could incorporate to your life and, and how you could do question well, question all the narratives, question everything we do.
1:13
That's kind of I mean are our journey went through stages, but multiple times we stopped and questioned conventional thinking.
And I remember listening to Wayne Dyer one time and he just said question everything.
Why do you sleep when you sleep?
Why do you sleep?
1:29
How long you sleep?
Why do you eat 3 meals?
Like where did that come from?
Why, why why even have meals?
Why three like why, why at certain times like what is going on?
Where did that come from?
It hasn't always been that way.
Start questioning and like, zoom way out and look at different cultures and peoples and places like, wait, why do certain people do what they do?
1:50
Why do you do what you do?
Start questioning it all.
And there's so much value there in the questioning.
And often you question it, you experiment with it, you see other things and you come back.
You come back to the thing you do.
You're like, yeah, I like this one, I'm going to keep it.
But then in questioning it, it exposes something.
2:05
You're like, wait a minute.
Yeah, Why?
Why do we do that?
Where did that come from?
And just because it's common, it's widely being done that way, doesn't mean we have to participate, and it doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.
Or doesn't mean that it's quote UN quote normal or that it's always been done that way.
2:24
And so ironically, even if today's topic, even though we did go through that whole process, I feel like this wasn't one of the things we actually questioned.
Because interestingly enough, it has been, people have come to believe that it is normal.
2:46
It is the essence of what it means to have a family, right?
And to be a family.
And so you think, well, yeah, of course that's real.
That's true.
And yet having now we've questioned it, we've realized, oh, wait, no, actually it's still skewed.
3:04
It's it's not true.
It's not fully accurate.
And so essentially what we're talking about today is this, this concept is unconventional concept, this new concept that the traditional nuclear family, quote UN quote, traditional nuclear family is not normal and it's not traditional.
3:23
And of course coming from us people are probably what what do you mean the nuclear family is not normal or not traditional.
And that's what we want to talk through today because that is one of the things we've now recently been questioning.
And we're not, you know, just spoiler alert here.
3:41
We're not going to be telling you, oh, we should be practicing polygamy or we should be, you know, non monogamous or we should be have open relationships.
That's not where we're going.
So, you know, don't worry about that.
We're not embracing that.
We don't believe that.
But what we are going to expand on and dive into is the reality that the nuclear family is a new idea.
4:08
The nuclear family has really only been around or common since let's say like the 1940s.
And that before that, families lived intergenerationally and they lived more connected.
And they did not spend their days like a traditional nuclear family, where even if you're talking about the trad family with the trad wife that stays home, a stay at home mom, they didn't do that.
4:34
Dad did not go off to work.
Children did not go off to school.
Everyone stayed at home and worked from home together.
Dad.
It was a family.
Grandma, grandpa, siblings.
4:49
Uncles like there was community, yeah.
It was a community or tribe.
Environment.
A tribe environment and so this idea.
Probably more tribe for the history.
For the history of the world is probably more tribal.
Right.
So this idea of the nuclear family where there's mom, dad and kids living on their own, doing everything on their own.
5:08
Dad goes off to work, Mom stays at home with the kids by her.
When they're little and then the kids go off and now mom's living in isolation, like, what is that?
All of this is new and and I would we're going to argue unhealthy.
Yeah.
And and we talk about traditional family and so we think this must mean it's really old.
5:29
We're doing it the old way and, and like we have this norm where families are being pulled apart, people aren't getting married, they're not having kids.
The So the average age of people who are getting married is in their mid 30s, mid to late 30s, early 40s in some countries.
And then upper upper 40% of women between 18 and 45 not married and won't be having many of them.
5:54
A majority of them are unlikely to have children at all.
When when you take in that number, that is staggering.
Right.
And so in some ways, when you talk about those type of statistics, you think, well, yeah, the traditional family is way better than that.
And I would say, yeah, that's true because because despite this push for being single and living your truth and pursuing your passion and career and all this, it's not sustainable for society as a whole because humans are inherently social.
6:27
They are inherently community driven.
Most normal people want some sort, they want long term relationships in their life.
They want a long term romantic relationship.
Like everyone is driven towards that.
It's not weird.
That's normal.
6:43
So.
So we say everyone that's excluding the little 3% of people that.
Yeah, they're they're the psychopaths that aren't looking for that.
But most normal people want some sort of long term relationship.
They want long term friendships, they want long term romantic relationship.
7:01
But this push to be single, to not have children because of whatever the reasons are, it's a lot of work, it's a lot of stress, it's a lot of pain is actually detrimental to to individuals and to society as a whole.
7:17
Because there will be over the span of a lifetime of a human lots of loneliness, lots of depression, lots of anxiety because there's not a support net network there of other humans to help you through the.
The phases of life, Phases of life, yeah.
7:33
There's going to be a lot of unnecessary suffering, right?
Because of that, yeah.
And even there's.
There's a lot who want the family, but they're delaying or because of societal stuff.
They're not finding spouses, they're not dating, they're not being dated, they're on their phones or communicating that way.
7:49
It's like in person stuff is just dropping drastically and people are suffering because of it.
Seriously, I in fact, I just read an article like yesterday about this where not only is it dropping for single people and the amount of real life interaction they have, of course with friends, but it's also dropping sex between non married couples and sex between married couples because the tech is interfering.
8:15
Like people are spending more time on their devices, being entertained, being educated, being like whatever.
Like they're, they're just constantly there.
They're just constantly taking up time.
And that of course, if there's an exchange rate like that time that has to come from something somewhere.
8:31
And so all of that is being reduced because of that.
So all that's of course, going on in society.
And so within that framework, you think, well, you have the nuclear family, like that's where it's at.
That is way better than all of this.
8:48
And I would argue, yeah, that's true.
But we also want to talk today about how an even higher ideal than that is returning to the true traditional family, which is the intergenerational family.
9:03
It's the community family, it's the tribal family.
And that includes mom, dad and kids all working together for the family.
So like if you think, if you think back, even hunters, gatherers even in those cases, so the men would go out and do the hunting, They would go away for the day or multiple days and then come back.
9:25
But that may also.
Again, we don't know all the details for sure, but it may have been a once a week thing or a maybe they go for a week and come back or you know what I'm saying?
Like it's it's not a daily everything 9:00 to 5:00.
Exactly, I'm gone and so they're you're part and and definitely the you know, the kids were there and and education was happening there and even when they started some schools or school houses, you know, the kids would go into to the little schoolhouse.
9:52
This was in US culture especially, but the point is we want to invite you to think about unconventional ways of doing life, even ancestral ways.
And, and again, I'd like, I like, so I started this out like don't just sort it out.
It's like, ah, it's not realistic, It's not possible.
10:07
I don't, I can't do that, Rob, just toss it.
Just just sit with it and really like, OK, what would I do if you could wave the magic wand and kind of set aside all the little constructs that you've been given and handed all the things you know to be real or true, like a set that all aside.
10:26
How would you design your life?
Well, with jobs.
Yeah, all of it.
It's like how what would your family lifestyle look like?
And when you start questioning some of those things and you start looking for, I guess one of the my favorite questions was like, how could this be possible?
10:44
Because so we we started traveling as a family 2007 and it wasn't near as popular as it is now.
And there weren't, you know, blogs for where they even starting, just maybe barely just starting.
And there weren't social media accounts with millions of followers of families traveling the world.
11:00
So we, we start, we're like, is, is this possible?
Can it be done?
We would occasionally meet a family that had been doing it, you know, since the 70s or 80s.
They'd be on their old station wagon wandering the earth.
And so we want to do this.
And so we just started asking what would have to be true.
11:16
And so that's a question I want to encourage you to start taking into your life for everything like what would have to be true for this scenario to be possible, for this lifestyle change to be possible.
And we want to encourage this.
Maybe this isn't for everybody, but I, I really feel like these unconventional approaches could be helpful for every family.
11:38
Just question the way you're doing it, question the way you're, you're sending your kids to school or what kind of schooling they're doing, question work stuff.
This whole idea of, you know, generally it's the husband going to work and being a gun and coming back very.
Much nowadays.
Now it's the wife, too.
11:54
Yep.
Yeah.
And and like, like you said, Rich, it's not healthy.
Like I want to argue for that.
That's not a healthy way to do life.
Now we've adapted.
It's become normal.
It's we see almost all of our friends and neighbors doing it and maybe our parents did it too.
12:12
We're we're to a generation now is like we've been seeing this for a long time.
Even the old, old TV shows now they were doing it.
It's like, well, yeah, but that's that's only in these 4 turnings, right?
It's in the last four generations go pre World War 2 or World War One and then go to other civilization society roll back and just because we, I know a lot of people were like, well, why would I ever go back in time?
12:37
Why would I study old books and old societies?
We've clearly progressed beyond that.
We've heard people say what value can you get from, you know, from going back in time?
Like they had a lot of stuff figured out and humans go through these patterns and cycles where things actually get way worse and and in some ways we get stupider.
12:55
So what?
What can that look like for you?
And, and as we started doing this, we wanted to do life together.
Well, I think that it's, it's obviously there's going to be a lot of people even with you just saying that thinking this is just so unrealistic.
13:11
We don't live in this type of world anymore.
If you want to make money, you have to go to a job and the job's 9 to 5.
And that's the options.
Like what?
What are we supposed to do about that?
We can't just live on insects.
And you know, we met this guy one time who was like on a foraging diet and he only ate whatever he gathered, which included an iguana he found on the side of the road.
13:35
He asked if he could put it in our.
Freezer the Roadkill Roadkill.
This is when we lived in Costa Rica.
So he put his roadkill iguana in our freezer.
He was on a foraging diet.
Yeah.
We're not suggesting that you do that, that you have to live on some foraging diet or live out in the woods or camp or, you know, like live this extreme lifestyle so you can be together.
13:56
Unless you want to like some people want to try that stuff.
It can be a great experience and and we get that it sounds very unrealistic, but what we are trying to say because we have actually lived it, that something that starts out to seem impossible or completely unrealistic.
14:17
That if you begin to ask yourself the right kind of questions and you begin to search for the answers to those impossible questions, it's amazing how overtime you actually find the answers and that impossibility becomes your reality.
14:34
We are living an impossible life, but only because we pursued the impossible.
So all the things we thought were impossible were attempted and multiple times is dismissed.
We're now, that's our reality, it's our world.
And it's so cool to keep meeting families and individuals who refuse to just acquiesce to social expectations and constructs and start saying, you know, I'm going to do life differently now because we've travelled so much and we're meeting people all the time.
15:03
It's at least a couple times a week.
I'm meeting somebody who's very unconventionally just doing life on their terms and it's how they earn their income.
It's where they live, how they live.
So like even van life, you know, it's become a hashtag now.
It's, it's a big thing and growing where people living in their vans that they remodel.
15:21
RV life is massive across where we are in Europe.
It's very, very big people live in their campers.
But all across the US too, it's growing.
And families like full families, like, you know, we're just going to jump in our RV and we're going to live on the road and they're figuring it out.
15:37
They're doing it and then many are living, moving out into the country.
Yeah, they're homesteading, they're growing their food, they're getting back into hunting and raising animals or or farming.
There's all kinds of cool things.
I love, love, love that.
And, and some of you, you want to live in the, in the city, you want to have a high rise apartment and, and all that stuff.
15:57
Great, fantastic.
We're just inviting you to explore.
Now in my mind here, I can hear some of you, like you can't even fathom the concept of, of homeschooling your kids.
Just like no way go crazy.
Or I don't, I don't have the qualifications.
I don't know how.
Some people, because they've told us this, they can't fathom the idea of spending all day together with their spouse.
16:17
They're like, we would drive each other crazy.
We would be at each other's throats.
And part of our argument is that point, there are so many families that literally can hardly spend any time together because they hate each other.
16:33
The they're fighting or arguing.
Part of the reason that's true is because you spend so little time together, you actually live completely separate lives and you're very different people.
And then you wonder why when you come together, you can't get along well if you live together.
16:52
You've.
Learned how to figure it out.
Like it's not because we're special and we have like perfect people in our family that all of us get along.
We have very strong personalities, very different personalities.
But by spending so much time together, that's how we figured out how to get along and how to love each other and how to enjoy each other's presence and company.
17:15
And so as we started doing this, like, wait a minute, what?
What if I could work from home?
What if we could have, this is one of the ideas we like, what if we can have our meals together, all of them together, breakfast, lunch and dinner together.
And there were times where I had jobs, but I would come home for those meals.
17:31
So I'm like, OK, we're getting there.
And then eventually got to where I was working from home and had a Home Office or we were traveling, wandering around the earth, and I would just bring a laptop and work wherever we were.
And it's like we got to where we were spending the majority of our time together and a minority of our time apart, where, like you're saying, the vast majority of people right now, I think spend most of their time apart and very little time together.
17:55
Well, I've heard statistics even that for many families, working families especially where both parents work, they spend on average like 30 minutes with their children.
Yeah, I've read that too. 30 to 60 minutes in the evening.
Yeah.
18:11
It's so pathetic.
It's sad.
It's so sad.
But honestly, it's pathetic.
Like, what are we?
What are we doing?
Where are you spending your time?
And it's like, wow, I'm working.
Why?
To pay the bills.
If this is crazy and and because other people are doing it, then you can do it too.
18:27
And I want to throw that out there because if some of you are listening, like, no, there's no way I can do that.
Yes, you can if others have done it, you can do it.
If we can figure it out, then you can figure it out.
We're we're not special, but it's just like, OK, wait a minute.
What it's you pausing and saying what, what has to change?
18:42
What has to be different?
What, what skill, what knowledge, what like, how can I make this happen?
It's totally possible.
And, and it's so cool.
We meet, it's now thousands, thousands of people who are living so differently.
They're starting businesses or doing online work or remote work.
19:03
Well, there's even.
There's even plenty of families, I mean, I see them on Instagram, but that are living kind of a homestead community lifestyle.
They've got family businesses doing traditional things.
They're doing woodworking, They're they're building stuff, carpentry.
They're, I mean it, it's regular things, but they're doing it together as a family.
19:24
They're teaching and passing on the skills, they're building the generational wealth, they're investing in each other.
I just recently put a reel out on Instagram that's going viral talking about, you know, the SIOP of having your kids move out at 18, that it's actually, and again, a new idea.
19:46
I also have lots of people commenting on their like, what are you talking about?
This isn't a thing.
I'm like, it is in America.
Trust me, it's a very Western idea, so it's not happening in all cultures.
But like, you know, when your kids are 18, they got to move out and be on their own and work.
Well, all of that's a SIO.
20:01
It's essentially something we've been taught and told because it benefits.
Businesses, it benefits banks, it benefits other people when our kids move out.
Disintegration of families.
Yeah, it, well, besides that disintegrates the family connections, but it also prevents the the generational growth, the wealth, the growth of generational wealth because they move out, they get their own rent or mortgage, they have to buy their own furniture, their own car, their own utilities, like it's multiplying.
20:30
They're broke.
Yeah, plus they're broke.
What?
They're doing it instead of keeping that all in the family.
The the kids earn money, they pay into the family, they contribute to the family.
They are helping grow the business, expand the property, you know, invest in the real estate, like all of those types of things that actually build wealth.
20:50
We're doing it together as a family so that it can be passed on rather than like, OK, well, now you're 18.
Which suddenly.
Makes you a doll.
It does not out you go, you go figure it out on your own and we're going to stay here and keep doing our own little thing.
21:08
That's that's not normal if you look at the long term history of humanity and nor is it I think the most beneficial mentally, emotionally, spiritually, financially, social, the individuals and the family, yeah.
21:25
Now, obviously all of that has to hinge on effective parenting because obviously a ton of people were like, whoa, well, no, my kids are just 47 year olds.
Yeah, they're just mooching off here.
It's like, no, no, no.
If your kids are at home mooching off you, that's not what we're talking about.
Nor are we talking about.
Oh, you guys are just trying to live off your kids.
21:42
They work and pay you money.
You're trying to.
It's like, no, it's.
My retirement plan.
It's not even Yeah, exactly.
I'll have my kids live with me forever and they pay rent and so then I can retire.
It's like, no, that's pathetic.
And and if, if you're really, really, truly ineffective as a parent, then all, anything you do will backfire you it just won't work.
22:00
And, and obviously I was out on my own at 16.
Yeah.
And so we went out and we did the thing that broke thing in the struggle and and you learn some good lessons from it.
But were we better off and ahead than we would have been ahead?
We had really effective parenting and real support and education and coaching and mentoring from our parents.
22:20
No way, not even close.
We were years behind.
Now we learned some important stuff, but those lessons can be learned in in better ways.
You don't have to suffer and be broke when you could be mentored and coached and taught how to not make all.
You don't have to make all the mistakes yourself.
22:36
It's so important.
So basically this idea is we're trying to present today.
We want to invite you to flip the ratio where you spend more time together as a family and you get along better.
You figure out how to fix your relationships and you work on things together.
22:54
Yeah.
Big projects, projects, beautiful, wonderful things.
Whether it's, you know, maybe you open a country store together and you, you, the whole family runs the store.
Or you build things, you build online businesses or you, you run your homestead.
Maybe you try to grow your own food.
23:10
Maybe you get enough land and you try to produce enough to feed your family off your own land.
I mean, that's awesome.
What a cool idea.
I love that idea.
But I want you to question it.
And like, you know, if you hate your work or you only do it because it pays the bills, start looking for different avenues.
23:30
What could you do differently?
And the one I've heard that the dismissal I've heard the most is, oh, that would take years.
Well, yeah, but the years are going to pass anyways.
Say, you know, the next five years.
It would take you five years to transition to something you absolutely love.
Yeah, I think it would take five years, but yeah, well, the next five years are going to pass.
23:49
So five years from now you can be just doing something you absolutely love, completely designing your lifestyle on your terms.
Or in five years, you can keep be you'll be doing the same thing you're doing now and and hating it and wishing you'd done something different.
Plus, lost all of that time with your children because when you are working on something that's moving you closer to something you really want, you're more alive, you're more attractive as a human being, you're more motivated, you're more inspiring.
24:21
Like it brings you to life, which helps with everything else.
It helps with your strengthening your relationships.
It helps with mentoring your kids because you're actually walking a path that they would want to follow in and that's.
Way more, yeah.
24:37
You're modeling for them of what's possible.
And so, you know, we have a really good friend who as a couple, they run a big business and lots and lots of employees.
And they never thought they'd be able to take time away.
And right now they're in the UK renting a little cottage, totally off grid, not checking in with the business at all.
24:54
And they worked really hard to get to that point.
And because they, they wanted to see, Hey, what's possible?
Can we can you have well over 100 employees and, and big biz, all kinds of stuff and step away from it.
Is that possible?
And they're doing it right now.
And we have all kinds of other friends doing other cool things too.
25:11
They're just wandering the earth or, you know, they go out travelling and they're like, I think we'd rather live here.
And so they moved to that country or that place and like is you're writing your own ticket and you're designing your own life and doing it deliberately instead of thinking that you have to live a certain way.
25:28
Like one of the things that they came up all the time when we go somewhere is like, oh, why, why are you living here?
Did your job transfer you like, well, no, we, we want to be here.
And it just seems like we just slap people upside the face.
Like, what are you talk?
Well, a lot of you live somewhere because you want to.
25:43
They were like, what do you mean?
You, you want to to live here?
So you moved here just for that reason?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, it seemed unheard of, it and the vast well, I don't know, a majority of people we talked to, the only reason they live where they live is because of some job work and if they moved, it was usually because of.
26:08
Work another one of the reels I just did.
It was just an audio I found, but it said we need to move away from preparing kids for jobs and that's because jobs are changing.
Or going away.
Yeah, or going away.
And they also said that we also we need to disconnect identity from job, yes, which I think is also true with like lifestyle.
26:32
We need to disconnect lifestyle and location from job.
All of that is changing like the future that's coming with AI with location independence.
All.
Of that is changing and so we no longer have to be tied to a job that determines our identity determines our schedule.
26:54
It determines where we live.
Like all of that is literally becoming a thing of the past now you and.
I.
Kind of on the forefront, well, we are on the forefront of that and more and more people are joining it.
But I really think that that's where the future is going.
27:09
And so I guess that's a part of our message now.
It's like, hey, we're saying, hey, heads up, this is what's coming.
This is what's possible.
Start thinking about it now, if not for you, at least for your children, because this is the type of thinking they need to have if they're gonna thrive in the economy of the future.
27:28
Yes, and so, well, even somebody was engaged in a little conversation online and they're like, well, how many of your kids are going to college?
That that was kind of the argument and and that used to work for a very long time.
That was true.
Like you needed to go to university to get an education and then it switched.
27:48
You need to go to university to get a higher paying job to.
Get job training.
Yeah, job training is what was that is now pretty obsolete.
You can earn a absolute phenomenal world class education.
You don't need a university anymore.
It's it's online or people are making courses or classes starting their own academies.
28:06
Or you can you could do it through college but online right you.
Don't have to be there.
And then job training is everything's changing.
But from what I'm observing and reading and saying it's, it looks like 40 to 50 to 60% of current jobs will be replaced by AI or robotics in the next four or five years, maybe 6 or 7.
28:29
But if if you think sending your kids to university to get a degree so they can get a job is still the path you are you're.
Preparing your kids for the future that's already in the past?
28:45
Yep.
Already it's already gone.
So, and again, I mean, even even if your child right now was graduating and going to start university, by the time they graduate, everything will be changed, Yeah.
Already.
Even if it's just a four year degree.
Yeah, like send your kids for a bachelor's degree, which most of them are pretty worthless.
29:03
And in four years from now, the AI computation will have what did it say?
It's it'll be just by the end of this year.
Faster really by the end of this year or?
Something.
No, no, no.
It's like by the end of the year it would be 16 times smarter than it is now.
29:18
Oh, in.
Five years.
It's in that, but it's just compounding like that.
And so in a five year period, wow, it's it's going to be crazy and so fast and so competent, so smart.
So the, the advance of this technology is going to just blow that all away.
And we think, oh, you know, my, my kid will get a job as, I don't know, a dentist, an an attorney or a, you know, whatever it is you think about accounting, it's like that's all going to be taken over.
29:47
But even dentistry, even the medical profession is all going to be all of it Pagan.
Well, not completely, but it's going to be disrupted by AI.
Yep.
Massive, massive.
Disrupt the way it looks now, right?
30:04
So anyways, the, the whole point is you guys, we just want you.
And this is kind of a fun short one.
We just want you to like, wait, start questioning things.
In fact, because of the advancements in technology, I would say we all have to.
It's a must.
If we try to stick our head in the sand and try to ignore it and keep going along and doing our little thing, we're going to end up in in some tough spots.
30:24
Well, and part of the other reason we're having this conversation is because I truly believe that that is the future.
The future of family life is going to be more community based.
It's going to be the tribal family.
It's going to be us supporting each other, bringing in, of course, friends and people around us to be a part of that community.
30:47
But it's not going to look like the way it has looked because of all this innovation that's happening.
We're going to have to focus more on our own humanness.
We're gonna have to focus.
On those things that make us different from AI, because AI is gonna be able to replace so much.
31:04
We have to what's the word we have to major if we wanna use a college term in being human.
And so we have to focus on compassion and empathy and connection and innovation, all those things that make us unique as human beings.
31:21
And that I think will almost automatically require more community connection, in person connection.
And people are going to be like longing for that, like dying.
Have that practically because there's, there will be so much virtual reality, there will be so much AI technology.
31:41
I already see it nowadays people on Instagram, they're like, is this video AI or not?
Like I can't tell.
People can't tell what's real and what's not.
And so they'll be wanting to have that in person, face to face.
Because it's real.
Because it's real and they know it's real.
31:57
That's what they're going to want.
And our our kids are going to want it.
We're going to want it.
We're going to want to be connected.
We're going to be wanting want to be together, supporting and helping each other.
That's the future, it really is.
And so I don't know, but part of the, the catalyst for sharing this is that we absolutely love our lives so good.
32:16
And we have and we we work from home together.
The kids do home education and obviously we travel all over the world together and have for years.
But in the meantime, we're working on all kinds of projects that are building our own generational wealth.
Yep.
So we have animals together and we we build and make beautiful things together, remodel and invest together and we study and learn together and we travel together.
32:41
We're heading over to go trekking in the Himalayas together.
And we can do that.
We can just take time and go do amazing things and then we work together and it's just life's so amazing.
And, and you know, from simple things like the meals together and eating and growing and eating healthy food together to making something really cool together, designing and building it with your hands and with tools and, and, and raising animals, like whatever it is you want to do, do it together.
33:11
And so step back and say, if, if I could just have the life I want.
And, and I think here's, here's my vision of utopia, although I think there's going to be, there's going to be a lot of dystopia coming and, and things are going to unravel in society.
But I do want to say this AI does have the power to create some utopia aspects if it is used wisely.
33:35
Because let's say we have robots that really truly can do a lot of the work that could be done by anyone and, and they're inexpensive.
Then of course I'm going to have a robot do all that stuff.
So that what, so I can sit around and entertain myself to death?
33:50
No way.
So that I can do work that only I can do so that I can do things that only I can do.
And I thought, if you know, here's the question I wanted to chew on.
If you didn't have to work, if you could just do life how you want to do life, that's just throw out all the things you think you have to do.
34:08
What would you do?
And, and for me, I'd spend time reading, I'd spend time outside with animals.
I'd, I'd grow some things, I'd grow some fruit and, you know, raise some crops.
I'd, I'd work on cool projects, beautifying the land and buildings and, and spend a ton of time like what's basically, it's what we do.
34:27
Spend a ton of time with you, Rachel and, and with the kids.
We're together.
I would travel.
I, I love writing and teaching and sharing ideas.
So I guess that's my point, like we're doing.
And the reality is we asked ourselves those questions years ago when we were young and we had young kids.
34:49
I mean, we started asking those questions and we came up with those.
Those were the answers we came up with.
And now you're right, we are living that life because we asked those questions and asked how could we make that possible.
That's the only reason it happened.
35:05
It didn't happen by luck.
We didn't just chance into it.
We created it because we asked the questions.
So that's why we're here today.
We're like, hey, ask the questions.
How could you create a lifestyle like this?
35:20
How could you create family life where you spend more time together than you do apart?
And doing things you all love to do you're.
Working on the things that you love to do as a family, that's awesome.
That's the to me, that's the ideal of an extraordinary family life.
It's like literally living together with peace, joy, and meaning.
35:40
Doing cool stuff.
So spend some time thinking about it, talking about with your with your spouse, with your kids.
Spend some time writing about it and and don't just dismiss it because it seems unrealistic.
Start really writing is like what I do.
Well, yeah, I'd spend some time paddle boarding, spend some time mountain biking and rock climbing.
35:55
Definitely do some traveling.
Have some, you know, animals and some land work on some projects like start writing that out, which is what we did.
And then after you do that exercise, then say, what would have to be true to make this happen?
What changes would have to make?
What skills would I have to have?
36:11
What knowledge would I have to acquire?
What would have to be different?
And then that's when possibilities and opportunities start popping up.
And you think, you know, I can, I can do this.
We can make this happen.
We can live life on our own terms.
And it's so powerful and so beautiful.
So enjoy that this week, enjoy that exercise and, and what it does to to your mind and conversations with your family and, and just start allowing your mind to explore and dream and question things.
36:38
It's so powerful, but it opens up opportunities for a truly extraordinary family life.
Love you guys, reach upward.
